Sunday, August 3, 2025

Neal Maxwell summary

In 1980, Elder Neal A. Maxwell summarized the critics:

you may even see a few leave the Church who cannot then leave the Church alone. 

Let these few departees take their brief bows in the secular spotlight; someday they will bow deeply before the throne of the Almighty, confessing that Jesus is the Christ and that this is his work. 

Meanwhile, be unsurprised if, as the little stone seen by Daniel rolls relentlessly forth, some seek to chip away at it (see Dan. 2).

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1980/10/the-net-gathers-of-every-kind?lang=eng


In 1996, he discussed the topic again.

Church members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium. Some real tares even masquerade as wheat, including the few eager individuals who lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves, of course, they leave the Church, but they cannot leave the Church alone (see Conference Report, Oct. 1980, 17; or Ensign, Nov. 1980, 14). 

Like the throng on the ramparts of the “great and spacious building,” they are intensely and busily preoccupied, pointing fingers of scorn at the steadfast iron-rodders (see 1 Ne. 8:26–28, 33). Considering their ceaseless preoccupation, one wonders, Is there no diversionary activity available to them, especially in such a large building—like a bowling alley? Perhaps in their mockings and beneath the stir are repressed doubts of their doubts. In any case, given the perils of popularity, Brigham Young advised that this “people must be kept where the finger of scorn can be pointed at them” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1941], 434).

Therefore, brothers and sisters, quiet goodness must persevere, even when, as prophesied, a few actually rage in their anger against that which is good (see 2 Ne. 28:20). Likewise, the arrogance of critics must be met by the meekness and articulateness of believers.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1996/04/becometh-as-a-child?lang=eng


Wednesday, July 9, 2025

Dehlin on X

John Dehlin posted this:

Some responses:


Have you ever interviewed someone who left the church and then came back because they realized they made a mistake?


The final act of any disgraced “thought leader” is to come on this app with an engagement-bait campaign. Once you see that, you know their descent into complete irrelevance is underway.


I left for 25 years. Stupidest thing I could have done. I came back 13 years ago. Best thing I could have done. It's sad that you are stuck in this doom loop.


Being lied to by critics of the church. Once I understood their game, I returned to faith and have never looked back.

I watched a video where you denigrated and lied about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and suddenly I was like "wow...his lies totally made me lose my faith in Christ".... Nah...there's nothing you could say or have said that would weaken my witness of the truth presented to me by the Holy Ghost through a sure witness and my own intellectual inquiry. Sadly the LDSX community is so engaged that this post will likely make you a few bucks...which I suppose is the goal. I wish that you'd turn away from your hateful ways and realize you left one of the most important relationships you ever had...for the sake of what? Money?




Hey John, I left the church in 2020. I removed my name voluntarily. I trusted people like you and was part of the Ex-Mormon community. You lied to me. The church is true. There’s only hope in Christ, and thankful I rejoined the church this year. You have nothing to offer except resentment and a constant need to keep up with every little thing the church does. Search your own heart, there’s something missing that you cannot quench which is why you still post obsessively about the church. Deep down, you know God is real. Deep down you know Jesus is Lord. Deep down you know Jesus restored His church through the prophet Joseph Smith. Let go of the resentment and embrace peace. Quit fighting what you know to be true. I’m a living witness that once you stop fighting and lay down your pride, true joy exudes!!